{"id":8,"date":"2023-05-02T18:46:26","date_gmt":"2023-05-02T18:46:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/?page_id=8"},"modified":"2025-09-17T17:53:46","modified_gmt":"2025-09-17T17:53:46","slug":"podcast","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/podcast\/","title":{"rendered":"The Podcast"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-group pattern-hero img-right podcast\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading has-large-font-size\">Mik + One Podcast<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>Nothing is off the record as <a href=\"#\" id=\"mik-bio\">Mik<\/a> sits down with industry leading guests and delves into how they deliver value and drive digital transformations in their organizations.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group pattern-hero img-left mik\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-large-font-size\">Empower your organization to thrive in the age of digital disruption<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Mik + One captures conversations with software delivery leaders and shares their of introducing transformative ideas for delivering software at scale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mik + One: Promo\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=keb9v-10d76bf-pb&amp;from=pb6admin&amp;share=1&amp;download=1&amp;rtl=0&amp;fonts=Arial&amp;skin=f6f6f6&amp;font-color=auto&amp;btn-skin=1b1b1b\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group pattern-recent-episode\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center has-large-font-size\">Most recent episodes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 62 | 7\/1\/25<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Gene Kim<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, Mik Kersten is joined by Gene Kim\u2014author of <em>The Phoenix Project<\/em> and <em>The Unicorn Project<\/em>\u2014for a deep dive into <em>Vibe Coding<\/em>, his upcoming book co-authored with Steve Yegge. Plus, they draw parallels between AI and past industrial revolutions, touch on real-world stories from Booking.com, Adidas, and the UK government, and preview Mik&#8217;s forthcoming book, <em>Output to Outcome<\/em>, a playbook for organizations navigating the shift from outputs to measurable, scalable results in the age of AI.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-185\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim.png 400w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 62: Gene Kim on the Evolution of Product Operating Models in the World of AI\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=6fxj3-18f3abf-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 61 | 1\/07\/25<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Patrick Debois<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Patrick Debois. Often referred to as the Godfather of DevOps, Patrick shares his insights on the evolving landscape of DevOps and its intersection with generative AI. He discusses how the principles of DevOps are being applied to the rapidly changing world of AI, emphasizing the importance of testing, automation, and team structures in this new era. Patrick reflects on the lessons learned from past technology transformations and how they can inform current practices in integrating AI into business processes.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"667\" height=\"667\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Patrick-Dubois.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-202\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Patrick-Dubois.jpg 667w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Patrick-Dubois-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Patrick-Dubois-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Patrick-Dubois-600x600.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 667px) 100vw, 667px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 61: Patrick Debois, The \u201cGodfather of DevOps,\u201d on AI, Automation, and Innovation\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=srwu3-17783b4-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 60 | 10\/15\/24<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Robin Yeman &amp; Dr. Suzette Johnson<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are industry luminaries Dr. Suzette Johnson and Robin Yeman. Suzette and Robin explore the integration of lean, agile, and digital methodologies into the increasingly complex realm of cyber-physical systems.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"443\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/RobinYeman_SuzetteJohnson.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/RobinYeman_SuzetteJohnson.png 443w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/RobinYeman_SuzetteJohnson-300x217.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 443px) 100vw, 443px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 60: Robin Yeman and Dr. Suzette Johnson on Implementing Lean, Agile, and DevOps Principles\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=drz26-16e357c-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 59 | 09\/15\/24<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Martin Harrysson &amp; Megha Sinha<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are Martin Harrysson &amp; Megha Sinha from McKinsey &amp; Company. With a focus on their research which quantified the benefits of shifting from project to product models, Martin and Megha share insights on how these transformations can significantly enhance profitability and efficiency.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"609\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/meghaSinha_MartinHarryson.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-193\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/meghaSinha_MartinHarryson.png 609w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/meghaSinha_MartinHarryson-300x246.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 609px) 100vw, 609px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 59: McKinsey + Company\u2019s Martin Harrysson &#038; Megha Sinha\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=ad7yq-16ccc15-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 58 | 08\/06\/24<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Steve Mayner<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Dr. Steve Mayner, a revered expert and coach in digital leadership, organizational change strategy, continuous learning culture, agile contracts, and SAFe practices within government contexts.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"474\" height=\"474\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/steve_mayner.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-190\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/steve_mayner.png 474w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/steve_mayner-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/steve_mayner-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 474px) 100vw, 474px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 58: Steve Mayner on Implementing Pragmatic AI in the Enterprise\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=ncu4g-1678725-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 57 | 07\/02\/24<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Gene <\/strong>Kim<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology luminary Gene Kim. Gene Kim is an esteemed author and technology thought leader with over two decades of experience studying high-performing technology organizations.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-185\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim.png 400w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Gene_Kim-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 57: Gene Kim on &quot;Wiring the Winning Organization,&quot; Unlocking High-Performance Organizations\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=qf8w6-165136b-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 56 | 12\/14\/23<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Scott Densmore<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Densmore, VP of Engineering at GitHub, to discuss the future of connected work and the impact of GitHub Copilot on developer productivity.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Scott_Densmore.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 56: GitHub Copilot\u2019s Scott Densmore on Copilot Revolution, Coding at the Speed of Thought\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=efkmv-151d9f4-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 55 | 10\/19\/23<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Mohan Sawhney<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Professor Mohan Sawhney, Associate Dean of Digital Innovation and a Clinical Professor of Marketing at Northwestern University.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"730\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Mohan-Sawhney-headshot-730x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-168\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Mohan-Sawhney-headshot-730x1024.jpg 730w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Mohan-Sawhney-headshot-214x300.jpg 214w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Mohan-Sawhney-headshot-768x1078.jpg 768w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Mohan-Sawhney-headshot-1094x1536.jpg 1094w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Mohan-Sawhney-headshot-1459x2048.jpg 1459w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Mohan-Sawhney-headshot-scaled.jpg 1824w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 730px) 100vw, 730px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 55: Professor Mohan Sawhney: Rethinking Product Management with AI\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=brbxz-14cde27-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=auto&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=60a0c8 loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 54 | 08\/08\/23<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Pallab Chatterjee<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Pallab Chatterjee, a visionary entrepreneur and technology expert.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Pallab-Chatterjee.png\" alt=\"Pallab Chatterjee\" class=\"wp-image-117\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Pallab-Chatterjee.png 500w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Pallab-Chatterjee-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Pallab-Chatterjee-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 54: Dr. Pallab Chatterjee on Digital Transformation Waste\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=rtrv7-1462f85-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=c73a3a&#038;font-color=auto&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=60a0c8 loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group episode-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group text-container\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p style=\"text-transform:uppercase\">Episode 53 | 06\/07\/23<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">George Kadifa<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology visionary George Kadifa to discuss generative AI and its potential impact on the tech industry.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/george_kadifa.png\" alt=\"George Kadifa\" class=\"wp-image-115\" srcset=\"https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/george_kadifa.png 500w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/george_kadifa-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/projecttoproduct.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/george_kadifa-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Episode 53: George Kadifa on Generative AI\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; 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